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SUMNER Alice Rose

SUMNER Alice Rose

Female 1881 - 1954  (72 years)

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  1. 1.  SUMNER Alice RoseSUMNER Alice Rose was born 23 Aug 1881, Fitzroy VIC (daughter of SUMNER Henry Thomas and MCGINTY Rose Mary); died 15 Jul 1954, 105 High Street, Belmont VIC; was buried 17 Jul 1954, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Alice Rose HERD
    • Occupation: Home Duties
    • _UID: 4C93AA9D2A3B4B57A497D6B3E28D0A7FE9A6

    Notes:

    Alice Rose SUMNER (1881-1954) was committed to the Neglected Childrens System (No. 17810) on 24 Nov 1890 soon after the arrest of her father for coining (counterfeiting). She was fostered at several addresses in the Bendigo area and later at Ascot Vale, Williamstown, Brunswick, Moonee Ponds, Cape Clear and Highton.

    As was the custom, her term in that system expired on her eighteenth birthday (23 Aug 1899) presumably while she was still at Highton where she was in the care of a Mrs. COWAN. One can safely guess that this is where she first met her future husband Frederick Forbes HERD (1872-1944). On her record there is a note as follows: "girl is engaged to a young man named HERD, 29/4/01".

    Neglected Childrens' Registers
    Alice Rose SUMNER appears in 1881, Vol 11, p.177.

    Buried:
    Plot: HGH-COE-2-807-169

    Alice married HERD Frederick Forbes 14 Apr 1903, 426 Cardigan Street, Carlton VIC. Frederick (son of HERD William and DRUMMOND Margaret Calder) was born 28 Jun 1872, Highton VIC; died 17 Dec 1944, Riviera Private Hospital, Myers Street, Geelong VIC; was buried 18 Dec 1944, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. HERD Eileen Beatrice was born 7 Oct 1903, Geelong VIC; died 6 Jul 1966, Geelong Hospital, Geelong VIC; was buried 7 Jul 1966, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    2. HERD Ethel Rose was born 18 Feb 1905, Geelong VIC; died 8 Sep 1979, Geelong Hospital, Geelong VIC; was buried 11 Sep 1979, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    3. HERD Edna May was born 20 Jan 1908, Geelong VIC; died 31 Jul 1994, Glenarm Nursing Home, Kerang VIC; was buried 5 Aug 1994, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    4. HERD Myra Olive was born 7 Apr 1910, Geelong VIC; died 27 Dec 1992, 13 Virginia Street, Newtown VIC; was buried 30 Dec 1992, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    5. HERD William Forbes was born 28 Sep 1912, Geelong VIC; died 24 Apr 1999, Highton VIC; was buried 28 Apr 1999, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    6. HERD Ailsa Jane was born 12 Apr 1914, Belmont VIC; died 23 Apr 1914, 'Wyuna', 105 High Street, Belmont VIC; was buried 23 Apr 1914, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    7. HERD Frederick Oswald was born 12 Apr 1914, Belmont VIC; died 22 Apr 1914, 'Wyuna', 105 High Street, Belmont VIC; was buried 23 Apr 1914, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    8. HERD Brenda Lorraine was born 21 Jan 1917, Belmont VIC; died 25 Jun 2004, Geelong Hospital, Geelong VIC; was buried 2 Jul 2004, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    9. HERD Melva Lynette was born 3 Feb 1919, Belmont VIC; died 21 Jan 2005, Geelong Hospital, Geelong VIC; was buried 25 Jan 2005, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    10. HERD Margaret Esma was born 29 Dec 1920, Belmont VIC; died 25 Mar 2012, Skipton VIC; was buried 2 Apr 2012, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  SUMNER Henry ThomasSUMNER Henry Thomas was born 28 May 1857, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY (son of SUMNER Charles and SUTCLIFFE Elizabeth Margaret); died 15 Nov 1896, Rutherglen VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Coachman, Plasterer, Omnibus Driver, Labourer
    • _UID: C978A355A18A47B88DAFE4CD6851C1BA84E4
    • Baptism: 19 Jul 1857, Surbiton SRY
    • Census: 7 Apr 1861, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY
    • Census: 2 Apr 1871, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 13y
    • Military: Between 25 Apr 1873 and 29 Jan 1874; Service No. 59910, served on the Royal Navy vessel 'St. Vincent'. Rating: B2.C
    • Emigration: 28 Nov 1876, ENG
    • Inquest: 16 Nov 1896, Rutherglen VIC; Inquest into the death of Henry SOMNER [sic]; : 39y

    Notes:

    His wife, Rose Mary McGINTY, was unfortunately the victim of murder on 2 Apr 1891. The perpetrator of that crime was one John FINNIGAN who was sentenced to death. His sentence was commuted to life imprisonment with hard labour. FINNIGAN was released on 9 Dec 1907 with remissions for good behaviour etc.
    (Ref. VPRS 515/44/p.390, Prisoner No. 24701)

    At the time of this tragic event Henry Thomas SUMNER was in gaol serving a sentence for counterfeiting of half-crown coins. According to newspaper accounts of the murder and trial five of the six children had been placed into the care of the Department of Neglected Children prior to the death of their mother, presumably on the conviction of their father for coining. Set out below are extracts from the criminal record books relating to Henry Thomas.

    VPRS 10858/25/p.254, Description of Prisoners, Prisoner No..23012, Date of Admission..23 Dec. 1890, Name..Henry Sumner, Date of Birth.. 1858[?], Height..5' 5 1/2", Complexion..Fresh, Hair..Light Brown, Eyes..Light Grey, Nose..Prominent, Mouth..Medium, Eyebrows..Light, Visage..Oval, Forehead..Medium, Weight..11 stone, Build..Medium, Age..32, Native Place..England, Trade..Plasterer, Religion..C of E. Reads & Writes..Both, Where Tried..Melbourne Supreme Court, Before..Judge Hodges, Date Sentenced..20 Dec. 1890, Sentence..2 years with hard labour, the first 4 days of each of the last 12 months to be spent in solitary confinement, Previous Convictions..4 proved, Distinguishing Marks..Mermaid upper right arm, Coat of Arms inside lower right arm, Ship on breast, Crucifix lower left arm, Conduct..Good, Marks Earned..69, Married..wife Mrs. R. Sumner living at Earl of Zetland Hotel, Swanston St., Melbourne, Per.. "Parramatta" from London to Sydney in 1876, to Victoria in 1877.

    1 Mar 1889, 6 months in default of bail, threatening.

    6 Aug 1889, 14 days cumulative, resisting constable.

    6 Aug 1889, 3 months, obscene language.

    7 Apr 1890, 1 month, assault.

    5 Nov 1890, 5 days solitary confinement, unlawful assault.

    5 Nov 1890, 3 days cumulative, resisting police.

    5 Nov 1890, 12 months in default of bail, threatening.

    VPRS 515/41
    Melbourne Gaol, 18 Mar 1889, to freedom by bail.

    Melbourne Gaol, 12 Nov 1890, to freedom by bail.

    Melbourne Gaol, 15 Dec 1890, 2 February, 1891, having an article improperly, 2 days close confinement on 1/2 rations.

    Pentridge Gaol, 23 Dec 1890, 4 January, 1892, having a knife improperly, 24 hours solitary confinement.

    Pentridge Gaol, 28 Jun 1892, disorderly conduct, 3 days solitary confinement.

    Pentridge Gaol, 22 Jul 1892, to freedom by remission.

    The second to last entry on his criminal record is as follows:
    28/6/96, Disorderly Conduct, 3 days sol conf cum [solitary confinement cumulative] ed.
    The puzzling thing about this entry is that it is long after his confinement in Pentridge Prison and about 5 months before his demise on 15 Nov 1896. Perhaps he took some leave from his labouring employment at Rutherglen and journeyed to Melbourne and fell off the wagon and drank too much, with predictable results.
    ____

    At his trial for counterfeiting, crown evidence was given against him by both his eldest son Charles Henry Joseph SUMNER, and eldest daughter Alice Rose SUMNER. Charles showed the police the hiding place used by his father for some of his plaster moulds. These reports also relate the fact that the marriage of Henry and Rose was strongly opposed by her parents (Joseph and Alice McGINTY). It is even stated that they took legal action in an attempt to secure an annulment of the marriage, presumably on the grounds of the age of Rose (18) or the fact that she married outside the Roman Catholic faith.

    References (all at PROVIC)

    VPRS 514 Alias Index.
    VPRS 513 Clothing Book.
    VPRS 547 Drugs Received Book.
    VPRS 510 Requests to see Prisoners Book.
    VPRS 505 Index to Letters Book.
    VPRS 522 Photographs of Prisoners.
    VPRS 515 Criminal Record Books.
    VPRS 10858 Description of Prisoners.
    VPRS 10868 Photographic Negatives of Prisoners.
    VPRS 10840 Parole Board. Breaches of Parole etc.
    ____
    1861 Census, Kingston on Thames, Surrey

    Address: 358 Mill Street, Kingston, Surrey.
    Municipal Borough of Kingston.

    Municipal Ward of Norbiton.

    Ecclesiastical District of Norbiton.

    (a) Charles SUMNER, Head, Married, Market Gardener, born Middlesex, London, Age 43.

    (b) Elizabeth SUMNER, Married, born Middlesex, London, Age 43.

    (c) William SUMNER, Son, Unmarried, Grocer, born Middlesex, Hampton Well, Age 14.

    (d) George SUMNER, Son, Unmarried, Scholar, born Middlesex, Hampton Well, Age 13.

    (e) James SUMNER, Son, Unmarried, Scholar, born Middlesex, Hampton Well, Age 11.

    (f) Sarah SUMNER, Daughter, Unmarr., Scholar, born Middlesex, Hampton Well, Age 8.

    (g) Ellen SUMNER, Daughter, Unmarr., born Surrey, Kingston on Thames, Age 5.

    (h) Harry SUMNER, Son, Unmarr., born Surrey, Kingston on Thames, Age 4. (Harry=Henry Thomas)


    Military:
    Source: UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seaman's Services, 1848-1939.
    Date of Volunteering: 22 Nov 1872

    Emigration:
    Aboard the 'Parramatta'. Worked his passage as a passengers servant. Moved on to Victoria in 1877 by unknown means.
    Into Place: Sydney NSW

    Inquest:
    Inquest No: 1896/1386

    The inquest was held at Rutherglen VIC before Mr. John O'GRADY, magistrate.

    Verdict of this inquiry was that "the said Harry SOMNER [sic] died at Rutherglen in the said Bailwick and Colony on the 15th. day of November 1896 from being accidentally burnt to death in his hut.

    Witness my hand this 16th. day of November one thousand eight hundred and ninety six."

    John O'Grady, A Justice of the Peace as aforesaid.
    --------------
    Several of the witnesses called to the inquest, clearly stated that Henry was sometimes of 'intemperate' habit with regard to alcohol consumption. This behaviour had been noted in different circumstances in earlier days.


    Died:
    Victorian Death Registration: 1896/15144 shows his age at death as being 36 years which is incorrect. It should be shown as 39 years.

    Employed as a labourer (sinking shafts) at the Great Southern and Chiltern mine, at Rutherglen in the north-east of Victoria.

    Henry married MCGINTY Rose Mary 10 Aug 1879, Chalmers Church Manse, East Melbourne VIC. Rose (daughter of MCGINTY Joseph and WESTWOOD Alice Maria Selina) was born 13 Feb 1861, St. Kilda VIC; died 2 Apr 1891, Melbourne Hospital, Melbourne VIC; was buried 7 Apr 1891, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  MCGINTY Rose Mary was born 13 Feb 1861, St. Kilda VIC (daughter of MCGINTY Joseph and WESTWOOD Alice Maria Selina); died 2 Apr 1891, Melbourne Hospital, Melbourne VIC; was buried 7 Apr 1891, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Rose Mary SUMNER
    • _UID: E31CE1B48F5E41E3BC1A83E5ECC72B7F4084

    Notes:

    Birth date on birth certificate is 30 Feb 1861 (sic). At a court hearing following her wedding where she and her husband were charged with making a false declaration, her parents testified that she was born on 13 Feb 1861.

    Buried:
    In the same grave as her parents Joseph and Alice McGINTY. MGC-RC-Comp-H-No-39

    Died:
    Inquest No: 1891/1907

    Notes:

    Married:
    His address: 1 Wellington St., Clifton Hill. Her address: Gertrude St., Fitzroy. His age: 22. Place of Birth: Kingston (up)on Thames, England. Occupation: Omnibus Driver. Parents: Charles SUMNER & Elizabeth SUTCLIFFE.

    Children:
    1. SUMNER Charles Henry Joseph was born 26 May 1880, Fitzroy VIC; died 9 Jan 1943, Brisbane Hospital, Brisbane QLD; was buried 12 Jan 1943, Lutwyche Cemetery, Gympie Road, Kedron QLD.
    2. 1. SUMNER Alice Rose was born 23 Aug 1881, Fitzroy VIC; died 15 Jul 1954, 105 High Street, Belmont VIC; was buried 17 Jul 1954, Barrabool Hills Cemetery, Highton VIC.
    3. SUMNER Herbert Edward was born 1 Jun 1883, North Fitzroy VIC; died 19 Nov 1923, 49 Moore Street, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 22 Nov 1923, Springvale Botanical Cemetery, Springvale VIC.
    4. SUMNER Henry Kingston was born 1 Sep 1885, Fitzroy VIC; died 30 Dec 1906, Bruthen VIC; was buried 2 Jan 1907, Bruthen VIC.
    5. SUMNER Victoria Beatrice was born 18 Jun 1887, Collingwood VIC; died 5 Mar 1958, Prince Henry's Hospital, South Melbourne VIC; was buried 6 Mar 1958, Box Hill Cemetery, Box Hill VIC.
    6. SUMNER Arthur Westwood, (aka HIDE) was born 9 Mar 1890, Armadale VIC; died 24 Oct 1974, Cheltenham VIC.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  SUMNER Charles was born Abt 1818, Islington LND (son of SUMNER Abraham); died 25 Sep 1905, 14 Mill Street, Kingston upon Thames SRY; was buried 29 Sep 1905, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Variously recorded as a Bricklayer/Fishmonger/Cab Proprieter/Market Gardener/Farrier/Fly Proprieter
    • _UID: 748C74E43BF24487BC2EB7DAEA8C6227CAD6
    • Census: 6 Jun 1841, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 23y
    • Census: 30 Mar 1851, Hampton MDX; : 32y
    • Census: 7 Apr 1861, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 43y
    • Census: 2 Apr 1871, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 53y

    Notes:

    Marriage certificate occupation for Charles SUMNER (1818-1905) was shown as Bricklayer. At the time of the birth of his youngest son Henry Thomas in 1857 he was shown as being a Fishmonger. Similarly, at the time of his death on 25 Sep 1905 he was shown as a Cab Proprietor, as he also was at the time of the death of his wife Elizabeth Margaret (m.n. SUTCLIFFE) in 1867.

    Buried:
    Buried in Class C Grave #630; Consecrated ground; Abode: Mill Street. Also buried in this plot are Charles' wife Elizabeth (m.n. SUTCLIFFE c.1818-1867), their daughter Ellen Sophia SUMNER (1855-1932) and their niece Maud Elizabeth FULLER (1885-1969).

    Charles married SUTCLIFFE Elizabeth Margaret 6 Sep 1840, St. Mary's Church, Hornsey MDX. Elizabeth (daughter of SUTCLIFFE Richard Pinnock and PACKER Mary) was born 14 Feb 1818, Poplar, East London LND; died 3 Feb 1867, Mill Street, Kingston upon Thames SRY; was buried 15 Feb 1867, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  SUTCLIFFE Elizabeth Margaret was born 14 Feb 1818, Poplar, East London LND (daughter of SUTCLIFFE Richard Pinnock and PACKER Mary); died 3 Feb 1867, Mill Street, Kingston upon Thames SRY; was buried 15 Feb 1867, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Elizabeth Margaret SUMNER
    • Occupation: Home Duties
    • _UID: 4AEFAAA5D23F463A8D7BCDBCCA652DA9AF3A
    • Census: 6 Jun 1841, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 23y
    • Census: 30 Mar 1851, Hampton MDX; : 33y
    • Census: 7 Apr 1861, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; : 43y

    Notes:

    Buried:
    Buried in Class C Grave #630; Consecrated ground; Abode: Kingston upon Thames. Also buried in this plot are her husband Charles SUMNER (c.1818-1905), their daughter Ellen Sophia SUMNER (1855-1932) and their niece Maud Elizabeth FULLER (1885-1969).

    Died:
    Registration District: Kingston, SRY. Volume 2A, No. 154.

    Notes:

    Married:
    Registration District: Edmonton MDX, Volume 3, Page 71.

    Children:
    1. SUMNER Richard John was born 28 May 1841, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; died 26 Dec 1883, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; was buried 2 Jan 1884, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    2. SUMNER Charles was born Between Jan 1845 and Mar 1845, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; died 26 Apr 1889, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; was buried 2 May 1889, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    3. SUMNER William was born Between Jul 1846 and Sep 1846, Hampton Wick MDX; died Between Apr 1897 and Jun 1897, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    4. SUMNER George Thomas was born Between Oct 1848 and Dec 1848, Hampton Wick MDX; died 23 Jan 1905, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; was buried 28 Jan 1905, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    5. SUMNER James Hammond was born Between Jan 1850 and Mar 1850, Hampton Wick MDX; died 15 Jan 1912, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; was buried 23 Jan 1912, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    6. SUMNER Sarah Ann was born Between Oct 1852 and Dec 1852, Hampton Wick MDX; died 4 Dec 1922, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; was buried 8 Dec 1922, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    7. SUMNER Ellen Sophia was born 11 Aug 1855, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; died 26 Nov 1932; was buried 1 Dec 1932, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    8. 2. SUMNER Henry Thomas was born 28 May 1857, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY; died 15 Nov 1896, Rutherglen VIC.

  3. 6.  MCGINTY Joseph was born Apr 1833, Athboy MEA (son of MCGINTY Edward and POTTERTON Rose); died 20 Mar 1908, 107 Gertrude Street, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 22 Mar 1908, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Police Constable/Estate Agent and Auctioneer
    • _UID: A68B1EFCFDA74314A62ADAEDBF5B500E551E
    • Immigration: Bef 1856, possibly from NZ

    Notes:

    A police constable in Victoria for some years. Dishonourably discharged from the force for having a pecuniary interest in a hotel. Became an Estate Agent/Auctioneer in Gertude Street, Fitzroy VIC.
    ____
    Known to be the owner of the Euterpe Hotel in 1871 as Margaret Maria Theresa DONOVAN (Madame LACHAL) was running it for him. (Her divorce papers)

    Occupation:
    No. 835, Constable Joseph McGINTY - dismissed from the Police Force. Police Gazette, 13 Feb 1871. His offence was 'having a percuniary interest in the Enterpe Hotel in Swanston Street South and persisting in a false evasive and dishonourable course for the purpose of concealing the fact from his superior officers.' Date of dismissal: 10 Feb 1872.

    Buried:
    MGC-RC-Comp-H-No-39

    Joseph married WESTWOOD Alice Maria Selina Nov 1859, Williamstown VIC. Alice (daughter of WESTWOOD John James and ROACH Mary) was born Abt 1844, Sydney NSW; died 16 Jan 1883, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 17 Jan 1883, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  WESTWOOD Alice Maria Selina was born Abt 1844, Sydney NSW (daughter of WESTWOOD John James and ROACH Mary); died 16 Jan 1883, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 17 Jan 1883, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Alice Maria Selina McGINTY
    • _UID: EFECF02A28D14835B94D49394D56C2348C32

    Notes:

    Buried:
    MGC-RC-Comp-H-No-39

    Children:
    1. 3. MCGINTY Rose Mary was born 13 Feb 1861, St. Kilda VIC; died 2 Apr 1891, Melbourne Hospital, Melbourne VIC; was buried 7 Apr 1891, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    2. MCGINTY Edward John was born 28 Jan 1863, Fitzroy VIC; died 14 Feb 1930, New Plymouth, Taranaki NZ; was buried 15 Feb 1930, Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth, Taranaki NZ.
    3. MCGINTY Joseph Westwood William Francis was born 25 Mar 1865, Fitzroy VIC; died 14 Dec 1908, 107 Gertrude Street, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 16 Dec 1908, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    4. MCGINTY Alice Maud Selina was born 14 May 1867, Collingwood VIC; died 25 Mar 1906, St. Vincent's Hospital, South Fitzroy VIC; was buried Mar 1906, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    5. MCGINTY Herbert Andrew Richard was born Abt 1869, Collingwood VIC; died Nov 1875, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 24 Nov 1875, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    6. MCGINTY Nina Constance Katherine was born Abt 1873, Collingwood VIC; died 1 Dec 1874, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 2 Dec 1874, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    7. MCGINTY Margot Leone Celestine, (Twin) was born 22 Mar 1875, Collingwood VIC; died 11 Jun 1910, Heidelberg VIC; was buried Jun 1910, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    8. MCGINTY Marie Louise Jacqueline, (twin) was born 22 Mar 1875, Collingwood VIC; died 1952, Kew VIC.
    9. MCGINTY Albert was born May 1877, Collingwood VIC; died 5 Jun 1877; was buried 6 Jun 1877, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  SUMNER Abraham

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Tailor
    • _UID: 3A6582772F4B4061B4A7893287CA4DF55C72

    Notes:

    In the marriage record of his son Charles SUMNER (1818-1905) Abraham was shown as being a tailor.

    Children:
    1. 4. SUMNER Charles was born Abt 1818, Islington LND; died 25 Sep 1905, 14 Mill Street, Kingston upon Thames SRY; was buried 29 Sep 1905, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.

  2. 10.  SUTCLIFFE Richard Pinnock was born Abt 1792, St. James, Westminster LND (son of SUTCLIFFE John and PINNOCK Elizabeth); died Oct 1878, Lewisham LND.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Broker
    • _UID: 9CE7494596734BFABCC14EACD53BED12E5C1

    Richard married PACKER Mary 12 Nov 1813, St. James, Piccadilly (St. James, Westminster), Westminster, London LND. Mary (daughter of PACKER Louis and (----) Sarah) was born 5 Sep 1795, Marylebone LND; died Apr 1858, Marylebone LND. [Group Sheet]


  3. 11.  PACKER Mary was born 5 Sep 1795, Marylebone LND (daughter of PACKER Louis and (----) Sarah); died Apr 1858, Marylebone LND.
    Children:
    1. SUTCLIFFE Thomas Lewis was born Abt 1815, ENG; died Yes, date unknown.
    2. 5. SUTCLIFFE Elizabeth Margaret was born 14 Feb 1818, Poplar, East London LND; died 3 Feb 1867, Mill Street, Kingston upon Thames SRY; was buried 15 Feb 1867, Kingston Cemetery, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    3. SUTCLIFFE Mary Ann was born Abt 1819, Poplar, East London LND.
    4. SUTCLIFFE Richard Pinnock was born 7 Sep 1823, MDX; died Oct 1878, Lewisham LND.
    5. SUTCLIFFE Hammond Packer was born 31 Mar 1826, Covent Garden MDX; died Mar 1867, Wandsworth SRY.
    6. SUTCLIFFE James Leith was born 21 Jun 1828, MDX.
    7. SUTCLIFFE Eliza Sophia was born Nov 1829, LND; died Oct 1831, St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster LND.
    8. SUTCLIFFE Joseph was born Jan 1830, MDX.
    9. SUTCLIFFE Averre Leith was born Jan 1831, MDX; died 27 Mar 1831, St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster LND.
    10. SUTCLIFFE Sophia Eliza Packer was born Abt 1836, MDX; died Mar 1927, Kingston-upon-Thames SRY.
    11. SUTCLIFFE Robert Packer was born Abt 1842, Westminster MDX.

  4. 12.  MCGINTY Edward was born Abt 1798, Athboy MEA (son of MCGINTY Andrew and COMMINS Catherine); died 11 Aug 1871, Rowena Parade, Richmond VIC; was buried 13 Aug 1871, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Bootmaker
    • _UID: ECECEF4B45CC4EC09250D773BFA49D308D9C
    • Emigration: 7 Jan 1863, Liverpool LAN

    Notes:

    Surname sometimes GINTY, GENTY or GUNTY without the 'Mc'.

    Emigration:
    Aboard the 'Tornado' which arrived at Port Phillip VIC on 2 Apr 1863.
    Into Place: Port Phillip VIC

    Edward married POTTERTON Rose 18 Jun 1826, Kildalkey MEA. Rose (daughter of POTTERTON Henry) was born Abt 1810, Kildalkey MEA; died 8 Mar 1864, Dublin IRE. [Group Sheet]


  5. 13.  POTTERTON Rose was born Abt 1810, Kildalkey MEA (daughter of POTTERTON Henry); died 8 Mar 1864, Dublin IRE.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Rose McGINTY
    • _UID: 36F98879C05A4E29AEBC7297F2CF6661BC7C

    Notes:

    Died:
    It is believed that Rose McGINTY (m.n. POTTERTON) died in Ireland before her husband Edward and the remaining children emigrated to Australia in 1863.

    Children:
    1. MCGINTY John M. was born Abt 1827, Athboy MEA; died Nov 1894, South Fitzroy VIC; was buried 29 Nov 1894, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    2. MCGINTY Mary was born Abt 1829, Athboy MEA; died 7 Aug 1914, 82 Budd Street, Collingwood VIC; was buried 8 Aug 1914, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    3. MCGINTY Andrew was born Abt 1830, Athboy MEA; died 19 May 1865, 160 Cambridge Street, Collingwood VIC; was buried 20 May 1865, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    4. 6. MCGINTY Joseph was born Apr 1833, Athboy MEA; died 20 Mar 1908, 107 Gertrude Street, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 22 Mar 1908, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    5. MCGINTY Edward was born Abt 1836, Athboy MEA; died Bef 1872.
    6. MCGINTY Catherine was born 3 Mar 1839, Athboy MEA; died Sep 1924, Northcote VIC; was buried 19 Sep 1924, Brighton General Cemetery, Caulfield South VIC.
    7. MCGINTY Michael was born Abt 1839, Athboy MEA; died Bef 1872.
    8. MCGINTY Rose was born Abt 1842, Athboy MEA; died Cal Apr 1905, Richmond VIC; was buried 4 Apr 1905, Boroondara General Cemetery, Kew VIC.
    9. MCGINTY Terence was born Abt 1845, Athboy MEA; died Yes, date unknown.
    10. MCGINTY Theresa Mary was born Abt 1847, Athboy MEA; died 21 Apr 1920, Lewisham NSW; was buried 22 Apr 1920, Rookwood General Cemetery, Rookwood NSW.

  6. 14.  WESTWOOD John JamesWESTWOOD John James was born 22 Dec 1808, Huddersfield YKS (son of WESTWOOD John and GLEDHILL Alice); died 25 May 1845, Sydney NSW; was buried 27 May 1845, Sandhills (Devonshire Street) Cemetery), Sydney NSW.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Face Drawer/Japan Lacquerware Maker/Soldier (Sgt.)
    • _UID: F9D57B7937D24242B4A31D41F38D21AB50D2
    • Baptism: 25 Dec 1808, St. Peter's Anglican Church, Huddersfield YKS
    • Military: Between 16 Dec 1825 and 25 May 1845, England, Ireland, Mauritius and Australia; Served with the 99th. Regiment of Foot, British Army.
    • Emigration: 2 May 1842, Dublin IRE aboard the 'Isabella Watson'.; : 33y

    Notes:

    On 16 December 1825 John James WESTWOOD, born Huddersfield YKS, trade - Face Drawer, aged 16 years, height 5' 4 1/2", enlisted in the 99th. Regiment of Foot at Bury in Lancashire. The regiment was at this time based in Ireland, but a number of recruiting detachments were sent to England, one of which was successful in recruiting Westwood. The successful detachment was based in Manchester and it made a number of two-day marches to nearby towns. He was paid a bounty of £4 on joining, with 16/- additional "bringing" money, possibly paid to a person who actually brought him to attest. His pay on enlistment was 1/- a day.

    From December 1825 to December 1826 he was a private, stationed at Birr in Ireland. From December 1826 to June 1827 at Clare Castle; from June to September 1827 at Ennis; from September 1827 to September 1828 at Youghal; from September 1828 to September 1829 at Charles Fort, Kinale; from September 1829 to December 1830 at Clare Castle; from January 1831 to December 1831 at Naas; from January 1832 to June 1832 at Armagh; from July 1832 to April 1833 at Drogheda. He served during all this period on various small detachments stationed in smaller outposts in Ireland. He was granted a furlough from 28 August to 10 October 1832. On 9 May 1833 he embarked for service overseas.

    On 7 September 1833 he disembarked at Flacq, Mauritius where he served until December 1833. From January 1834 to March 1835 he was stationed at Mahibourg, Mauritius where he served briefly in the Band. In April 1835 he moved to Port Louis, Mauritius where on 13 July of the same year he was promoted to Corporal. He remained at Port Louis until 14 June 1837 when he embarked for the return journey to Ireland. It is interesting to note that he acted as Regimental Harp for five days in March 1837. While in transit to Ireland on July 1837 he was promoted to Sergeant.

    He disembarked at Cork on 5 October 1837. Between that time and March 1839 he was variously based at Fermoy where he probably met his future wife, Mary ROACH, Kilkenny, Templemore and Athlone, engaged on detachment and escort duties. During this period many new recruits were enlisted. On 15 May 1839 Westwood was convicted on a charge of embezzlement, the penalty being reduction to the ranks and three months confinement. The entry relating to his return to duty appears to read "In Imprisonment by Court Martial" for 3 Calendar Months. Imprisonment commenced 21 May, released 20 August.

    From September 1839 he served as a private at Athlone and Dublin until September 1841. While in Dublin, he acted as Town Major's Adjutant and he received a 25 day furlough. In October 1841 he was transferred to Chatham, and on 4 November of the same year he was awarded a Good Conduct Badge. On 1 May 1842 he departed from Dublin for New South Wales aboard the "Isabella Watson", Master John A. MCDONALD, Surgeon Robert BOWER. On arrival in Hobart on 3 August 1842, 195 convicts were landed two having died and four having been put ashore in South Africa after a mutiny and disciplinary problems among the soldiers and convicts. It was a very fast passage for 1842 at 94 days. The 80 soldiers and their families restarted their journey on 20 August 1842 bound for Sydney.

    He disembarked at Sydney on 28 August 1842 and rejoined his regiment the following day. His first base was at Illawarra from September 1842 to March 1843. From 1843 to June 1844 he was stationed at Parramatta but served some of this period at both Illawarra or at Newcastle. On 1 April 1843 while again on detachment at Illawarra he was again promoted to Corporal and on 28 February 1844 he was awarded a second distinguishing mark (probably another Good Conduct Badge). From October 1844 he was posted to Sydney, though mostly on detachment at Newcastle.

    Between October and December 1844 he spent 57 days in hospital. Between January and March 1845 he spent a further 35 days in hospital. After 25 more days in hospital from 1 April he died on 25 May 1845. He had been promoted to Sergeant while in hospital on 30 April 1845, just three weeks before his death on 25 May 1845. It is interesting to speculate about this promotion for a moment. Perhaps his commanding officer saw the opportunity to secure a more generous pension for his widow but further research would be needed to establish this as fact. Perhaps he just wanted to wipe out the shame of his demotion six years earlier.

    Throughout his Army career John WESTWOOD seems to have been dogged by ill health. Soon after enlisting, between July and September 1826 he was hospitalised for 24 days; between January and March 1828, 28 days; between January and March 1833, 15 days; between January and March 1836, 45 days; between July and December 1838, 33 days; together with various shorter periods.

    As Sgt. WESTWOOD died while on active service no soldier's document was preserved, which is a great shame as it would have revealed much more interesting information.
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    The burial of John James WESTWOOD

    John James WESTWOOD was buried at the Sandhills Cemetery, or as it was sometimes known the Old Devonshire Street Ground, which was located on what is now the site of Central Station, Sydney. In 1901, about 3300 monuments including the one belonging to JJW, were moved from the Sandhills Cemetery to a 25 acre site bounded by Bunnerong Road, La Perouse and the existing Botany Cemetery.

    The headstone is believed to have been in the Church of England section which is located close to Bunnerong Road. A transcription of the headstone is set out below.

    "John WESTWOOD, Sergeant of the 99th. Regt., died 25th. of May 1845, aged 38 years. Stone erected by his brother NCOs."

    Unfortunately, the headstone has not survived to the present day [1988] as friends visiting Sydney have looked for it without success. The ravages of time and particularly motor vehicle exhaust fumes are thought to have done the damage.

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    FHL Number 560624 = christening record for John WESTWOOD.

    Military:
    When he was reduced to the ranks for embezzlement it appears that his sentence of three months detention was served on a prison hulk 'Cumberland' moored at Chatham in Kent.
    Source: UK, Prison Hulk Registers and letter books, 1802-1849.

    Emigration:
    Arrived in Sydney NSW on 28 Aug 1842.
    Into Place: Sydney NSW

    Buried:
    In 1901, about 3300 monuments including the one belonging to John James WESTWOOD were moved to a 25 acre site bounded by Bunnerong Road, La Perouse and the existing Botany Cemetery.

    The headstone is believed to have been in the Church of England section which is located close to Bunnerong Road. A transcription of the headstone is set out below:

    "John WESTWOOD, Sergeant of the 99th. Regt., died 25th. of May 1845, aged 38 years. Stone erected by his brother NCOs."

    Unfortunately, the headstone has not survived to the present day [1988] as friends visiting Sydney have looked for it without success. The ravages of time and particularly motor vehicle exhaust fumes are thought to have done the damage.

    John married ROACH Mary 17 Jan 1838, Fermoy COR. Mary (daughter of ROACH James and GLEESON Mary) was born Abt 1818, Fermoy COR; died 1 May 1892, Junction Hotel, Elizabeth Street, Melbourne VIC; was buried 3 May 1892, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC. [Group Sheet]


  7. 15.  ROACH Mary was born Abt 1818, Fermoy COR (daughter of ROACH James and GLEESON Mary); died 1 May 1892, Junction Hotel, Elizabeth Street, Melbourne VIC; was buried 3 May 1892, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.

    Other Events:

    • Name: Mary DONOVAN
    • Name: Mary WESTWOOD
    • _UID: 0B21581A4E61438992B1001E4F9831B7491D
    • Emigration: 2 May 1842, Dublin IRE aboard the 'Isabella Watson'.

    Notes:

    Mary ROACH was probably born in Ballynamona near Fermoy, COR.

    Mary ROCHE secondly married Richard DONOVAN (shoemaker by trade) who was also a member of the 99th. Regiment very shortly after the demise of her first husband Sgt. John James WESTWOOD in 1845. Upon taking his discharge from the British Army, Richard DONOVAN (c. 1819-1863), joined the Victoria Police Force having a fairly chequered career.

    Emigration:
    Arrived in Sydney NSW on 28 Aug 1842.
    Into Place: Sydney NSW

    Buried:
    MGC-RC-Comp-L-No-361

    Notes:

    Married:
    Witnesses: Joseph CANTELLOW and Patrick ROCHE.

    Children:
    1. WESTWOOD Maria was born Abt 1839, Athlone and Drum ROS; died 28 Aug 1854, Police Barracks, Melbourne VIC; was buried 29 Aug 1854, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    2. WESTWOOD Jane was born Abt 1842; died Bef 1892.
    3. 7. WESTWOOD Alice Maria Selina was born Abt 1844, Sydney NSW; died 16 Jan 1883, Fitzroy VIC; was buried 17 Jan 1883, Melbourne General Cemetery, Carlton VIC.
    4. WESTWOOD John Joseph was born 2 Jul 1845, Sydney NSW; died 1 Dec 1891, Hobart TAS; was buried Dec 1891, Cornelian Bay (Hobart) Cemetery, New Town TAS.